Turtle Bay Opponents - Do the Ends Justify The Means? (Part 2)

(the scene – 2006) UNITE HERE Union Local 5 who was in a labor dispute and boycotting Turtle Bay notifies and starts organizing some North Shore people and organizations against Oaktree and the plan to proceed with the development at Turtle Bay.

The information from Local 5 is distributed and a campaign starts to block the development.

The main point of Defend Oahu Coalition, Keep The North Shore Country and others is that “20 years is too long for a plan to exist. It needs to be reevaluated. It needs a new EIS. Oaktree is dusting off a 20 year old plan. Etc. etc. etc.” The summation of the views of this are expressed by KK in the video of the demonstration from KHON at Turtle Bay 0n 9-5-06 - KHON Monday 9-5-06 "We don't think you just dust off a 20 year old plan and to ahead with it."

Ironically the “20 Year” argument presented in the guise of rationality by Turtle Bay opponents is the most inaccurate and dangerous statement they make.

The facts as they were outlined in part 1 show, this plan has been actively going by the current owner since 1997 at the latest.

Turtle Bay’s most current plans started in 1997. That was about 10 years after the Unilateral Agreement was unanimously approved by City Council and 9 years ago. That is actually a small time for a project like this. Any large scale real estate project that requires investment, commitment, plans, construction, engineering, permits, conditions, planning dept. approvals, zoning, architecture, design, etc. has a timeline that resembles Turtle Bay's project. In Hawaii things take even longer than most places. For example, K.K. knows how long academic projects that merely move minds, people, paper and computers take. Would 3-5 years from conception of an academic project at the University level to starting the program be considered too long? Absolutely not. With Turtle Bay, where the project is infinitely more complicated, are we to believe this timeline is less complicated than a research project?

The people who are opposed to further development at Turtle Bay are so adamant in their desire to stop them that they will do anything, say anything, try anything, partner with anyone and in general resort to any means possible to try and stop Oaktree.

I think that the renunciation of reason, truth and honest/open dialogue over ANY issue is harmful to the future of the North Shore.

There are so many other distortions out there.. If the end justifies the means, I guess people feel like they can say and do anything to get their way. I think that is wrong.

If you oppose Turtle Bay let's know the truth, learn the truth and tell the truth.

Those opposing Turtle Bay, what are your ideas about the property rights that Mr. Oaktree has?

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